JB: No they're not
JB: They're finding jobs and working
JE: Everyone's doing that
JE: But they're also losing creative hobbies and idealistic conceits
JE: Which most do
JB: Ok
JE: But a few hold onto, and can keep their whole lives
JB: Same for men
JB: Don't be too much of a misogynist now
JE: Yeah most men never cared about art to begin with
JE: Just football and cheap beer and tits
JE: But the few men that do are more likely to keep pursuing it, if only just as persistent hobbyists
JE: Because they feel no pressure to domesticate themselves
JB: Send off
JB: Made up assertions
JE: Men don't feel social pressure to settle down and be ordinary right away the way women do IMO
JB: True but women don't either
JE: If they want to travel and be artsy and live promiscuously or without commitment for a while they are looked upon more kindly than women are
JE: Women are more expected to be "good" and "settle down"
JE: Which makes sense biologically
JE: But is sads
JB: You make it sound like we're still living in pre-1990
JB: I think what you are saying may be true for conventional women but not literary types
JE: Girls still have prime childbearing years before they're 30
JE: Men don't
JE: Biological clocks and social pressure
JB: The creative ones were not subscribing to what you're talking about
JE: No, the women truly dedicated to their creativity do not do this
JB: The ones who are not creating now never really planned to
JE: That is why I posit they are rare
JE: Exactly
JE: On the downside, the true creative women are much more apt to stick their heads in ovens
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